On today’s show, Chris Cox Au.D., and Riley Bass Au.D. complete their 4 part review of Beyond Positive Thinking by Dr. Robert Anthony!
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CHRIS COX: All right, we’re back for our fourth installment– and final installment– of–
RILEY BASS: Beyond Positive Thinking.
CHRIS COX: Our review of it, anyway, by–
RILEY BASS: Dr. Robert Anthony.
CHRIS COX: This has been a fun one. It’s a treat to be able to go through a book like this and talk some things out, and we always enjoy your feedback on these as well. So we’ve only got a few more chapters that we want to cover here. We haven’t really been going chapter-by-chapter, really, but just keeping with the themes and the order of the book. So today we’ll be finishing all that off, and trying to bring a little more discussion to the relevancy to our own profession, and how this can relate– as we’ve been trying to do throughout the whole time.
RILEY BASS: Chris, what’s stopping you?
CHRIS COX: What is stopping me from what? Anything?
RILEY BASS: From achieving your truest potential.
CHRIS COX: Netflix marathons.
RILEY BASS: True ‘dat.
CHRIS COX: Gets me every time.
RILEY BASS: Every time you think you’re going to go out and do something awesome, you just watch Battlestar Galactica all day.
CHRIS COX: All day– all seasons for two weeks in a row. Yeah. You know, there’s a lot of things productivity-wise that stop me, I guess you could say. Why do you ask?
RILEY BASS: Well, I want to talk about it, because really, no one is stopping you or should be stopping you from achieving your goals. And if you’re worried about that, then you should fix it.
CHRIS COX: OK. That easy, huh?
RILEY BASS: That easy.
CHRIS COX: I should just not worry about it, just–
RILEY BASS: Say, hmm, no.
CHRIS COX: I’m good.
RILEY BASS: Basically, yeah.
CHRIS COX: So what we’re talking about, then, is what is stopping us from achieving happiness in our life?
RILEY BASS: Ourselves.
CHRIS COX: Ourselves.
RILEY BASS: Yeah.
CHRIS COX: Pretty much. Anybody else?
RILEY BASS: No. You control your own happiness. So if you are ever feeling in a place where you are not achieving your goals and you’re not happy, then you need to take a step back and say, what is causing this? What is causing me to be like this? And being worried about things and just constantly living and day-by-day worrying about the next thing is going to do nothing but make the situation worse.
CHRIS COX: Cool thing that he brings up is talking about worry. I think we all worry, right? We all have–
RILEY BASS: Oh, yeah.
CHRIS COX: –we all have our fretful days when we’re not really sure how things are going to work out. But he says that worry comes from the belief that you’re powerless. But the truth is that you’re never powerless unless you think you’re powerless.
RILEY BASS: Interesting point.
CHRIS COX: Interesting point. The power is in your hands. It always is. My grandma used to say, nobody can make you feel the way you do. You’re in charge of that.
RILEY BASS: You know what my grandma used to say?
CHRIS COX: What did she used to say?
RILEY BASS: Get your hand out of the cookie jar, Riley. You’ve already had 12.[LAUGHTER]
CHRIS COX: Your grandma sounds like a pretty tough grandma.
RILEY BASS: She was. She was a mean grandma. She made me stop at 12 cookies.
CHRIS COX: Oh. God rest her soul.
RILEY BASS: Apparently she was worried about me. [LAUGHS]
CHRIS COX: Is your grandma dead?
RILEY BASS: No.
CHRIS COX: OK. I said God rest her soul, so that implied that she is.
RILEY BASS: She’s not dead, no. She’s like 68.
CHRIS COX: We are really in charge of her own feelings, though, and how we behave. There’s people that can affect us on a day-to-day life, and situations can affect us on a day-to-day life, but we are in control of ourselves and how we react to those things.
RILEY BASS: And sometimes if you’re worried about something, it can be for a good reason. Maybe you need to make a change, and you need to realize that. Or maybe you’re just worrying because of fear, because you’re afraid that something is going to fail, you’re afraid you’re going to be rejected, you’re afraid that whatever you thought you wanted is not going to work out that way. So we just worry about it constantly.
CHRIS COX: Like you said, I think there’s a time to worry and do it the right way, and there’s other times whenever you worry, and it just consumes you–
RILEY BASS: Right.
CHRIS COX: –and keeps you from being able to move forward. And I think we all know people that are like that, that are just paralyzed by worry, and they can’t do anything because they’re just too worried about something.
RILEY BASS: Well, and when you think about where we are, with a lot of students thinking, I’d like to open my own practice someday, but I’m worried it’s going to fail. What’s that going to do for your practice, if you’re already worried it’s going to fail before you even open the doors?
CHRIS COX: Right.
RILEY BASS: It’s going to fail. But worry is just an illusion, and it doesn’t exist unless you give it the ability, and you give it the power to exist. If you tell yourself that those worries are unjust, then they’ll disappear, and you can move forward in a positive way.
CHRIS COX: The author says that you always know what to do. When it comes down to it, a lot of us– at the very core– know what to do in a situation, or at least have an idea of how to get started. It’s just whether or not we’re strong enough to actually start that process, or get the ball rolling, or believe in ourselves enough to know that we’re right.
Now, we all get in those situations where we need to go consult Google real quick about something. I know when I do repairs on my car and stuff, I go to YouTube to see how to do things. Sometimes you don’t know what to do procedurally, but you may know that something needs to happen. There’s something in your gut that tells you that you’ve got to do something, and you know what the outcome should be. We just have to listen to that.
And we also have to look at what the real problem is. We have to look at not just the symptoms of whatever is going on, but what the root cause is, and work towards treating that, so to speak. Once we see that root problem, then we can find the solution for it. And that’s really where we start this whole process of finding a solution. A lot of us are troubleshooters, right?
RILEY BASS: Mm-hmm.
CHRIS COX: We like to solve problems. We like to take hearing devices and troubleshoot what’s going on with them. Is it a mic? Is it a wax guard? Is it a battery? And I know that I personally find a lot of satisfaction in being able to turn a–
RILEY BASS: Oh, yeah.
CHRIS COX: –hearing device around, and make it go from not working to working, and then give it back–
RILEY BASS: Right.
CHRIS COX: –to the patient, and all of a sudden, I’m the miracle worker.
RILEY BASS: When they bring in a real dirty hearing aid, and you just clean it up a little bit, and they’re like, oh my gosh, you’re a miracle worker!
CHRIS COX: Yep. Love that. I love that.
RILEY BASS: Yes. Yes, I am.
CHRIS COX: So even in our personal lives, finding the solution for us is second-nature– for a lot of us, anyway, in the audiology hearing care world. But sometimes we are blind to it, and we don’t take the time to actually troubleshoot.
RILEY BASS: Chris, you were a Boy Scout, right?
CHRIS COX: I was.
RILEY BASS: I just always imagine you as the little boy on the movie Up, [INAUDIBLE] Boy Scout. [LAUGHS]
CHRIS COX: Why, out of everything, that?
RILEY BASS: I don’t know. You have the same personality as that little guy.
CHRIS COX: OK. That’s me on the inside, really.
RILEY BASS: Actually, you should imagine Chris as that little Boy Scout. So you probably had a compass, right? When were a Boy Scout?
CHRIS COX: I still do.
RILEY BASS: You still have a compass?
CHRIS COX: I actually have a watch that has a compass on it. No lie.
RILEY BASS: Yeah. You probably have an app that has a compass on it, because we’re so fancy with our cell phones these days.
CHRIS COX: Mm-hmm.
RILEY BASS: Whenever you shake a compass, the needle will spin and go all over the place. But whenever you stop shaking the compass, eventually the needle will level back out and point back to North. And I think that is a lot of how– sometimes how we feel is we get so bogged down, and so many things going on, and we can’t see the way out. If we would just take a step back and stop shaking, eventually things would– the would point itself out, and the solution would point itself out.
CHRIS COX: And that’s a great analogy that Robert puts in here in the book to help us figure out what are we doing to ourselves, and why can’t we find the right direction? And the next thing that he talks about is taking responsibility for change, and not blaming others for things that happen, but looking at yourself and really figuring out what can we control, and what can’t we control? And focus on that controllable piece and how we react to the situations out there.
RILEY BASS: Things are inevitably going to happen to us, and that’s just the way life works. But the way you react to these events, and the way you relate to other people is what’s going to change how your perspective is on it. Like we just talked about in the last couple of episodes, Riley luck is legit a real thing, I think. I laugh it off and approach life with as much humor as I can, so that I don’t get bogged down by the stress of– sometimes things just don’t go the way they should.
CHRIS COX: Hmm. Wah-wah. You were talking about relationships just there. I think one of the other parts that he talks about here is our emotional dependency on others, versus being self-reliant. We– especially those of us who’ve been in school for a really long time– we tend to become dependent on things like the syllabus, and textbooks, and so forth to get us through.
But once we get out, we don’t really have that. We have to create our own structure for our life, and that really means that we have to create self-reliance for ourselves. We have to rely on ourselves and not other people. And he talks about an emotional dependency, meaning that we tend to seek approval of those–
RILEY BASS: Mm-hmm.
CHRIS COX: –around us, and that can be unhealthy, because everything that we do then becomes some sort of performance for another person to get some approval from them, or that they like me, or that I can feel validated because of that. And he gets deep with that, as far as the relationships go, but what I want to point out about it is that we have to learn how to be self-reliant. We have to be able to take charge of our life, and be the pilot of our life, and not let other people– or not think that other people have that ability to control that.
And this is what we’re talking about for this whole portion here, is taking responsibility for yourself and realizing that you have the control. So we deal with rejection, we deal with the possibility of offending somebody or making somebody upset with us if we try to do something on our own. But I think what that comes down to is just being sure of ourselves and understanding that we know our truth, and we know the solutions to the issues, and moving forward with confidence– and being aware.
One of the things that I’ve heard in the past is being aware or being conscious of everything around you– keeping your head up and looking around and making sure that you’re not getting stuck in the ruts, that you’re aware of the things around you that can bring you success or bring you danger. We’ve talked a little bit about that in the past as well– just keeping an open eye out for what you want, what are the things that can add to your final goal. But you have to be aware, and you have to have your eyes wide open for that.
RILEY BASS: Being aware and being self-reliant would make you be the cause, and not the effect.
CHRIS COX: He does put a really cool analogy in here about an earthquake, when we think about being the cause versus the effect. When you think about an earthquake, it’s a purely mechanical thing. It vibrates at a certain frequency, basically– a frequency that knocks down buildings– and it smashes cars and all that, but the earthquake can’t actually harm the air, because the air resides above the earthquake level.
So if you’re at a higher level of self-reliance and awareness, and you’ve done all this digging deep and learning about yourself, you’re more like the air in an earthquake. You’re above it. You see the problem, but you’re not really getting pulled down into it.
RILEY BASS: You’re in a hot air balloon above it.
CHRIS COX: Yeah, beautiful. Just romantically up there–
RILEY BASS: Watching the sunset.
CHRIS COX: Watching the sunset, and watching the whole coast of California go off into the Pacific.
RILEY BASS: Watching the world burn.
CHRIS COX: Sorry, California. But it’s going to happen. They’ve already said it. So that’s a big, huge part of this, as well, is not being affected by those things, but getting yourself in a hot air balloon, being up there and getting away from it and controlling what you can.
The other part is watching out for those negative people in your life that can bring you down.
RILEY BASS: Right.
CHRIS COX: He calls them the NIOPs.
RILEY BASS: I just want to make that into a rap song somehow.
CHRIS COX: NIOP!
RILEY BASS: Negative influence of other people. And man, everybody knows that person that’s the total Debbie Downer in every situation. And there’s just people that you are around, and they’re just toxic. And that’s what he’s talking about, is those people that just bring you down, and they’re negative– maybe not necessarily towards you, but just towards their own life. And being around that negativity just spreads, and you become affected by it.
CHRIS COX: Yeah, so you got to stay away from those NIOPs.
RILEY BASS: Those Negative Nancys.
CHRIS COX: Negative Nancys. Debbie Downers.
RILEY BASS: Poor Nancy and Debbie. They didn’t really do anything, and they always get categorized.
CHRIS COX: But again, like with the earthquake, these negative people are like the big crevices that open up in the ground. They can pull you down if you’re not paying attention. And then, at some point, you become one of those people. You become one of those people that are just–
RILEY BASS: Grr.
CHRIS COX: –everything’s horrible. Everything’s bad. I don’t want to be here anymore. And when you find yourself being that way at some point–
RILEY BASS: You got to get checked.
CHRIS COX: Yeah. What am I doing here? Why am I even bothering with this?
RILEY BASS: You’ve got to get it together, and listen to a couple episodes of the podcast, and then reset yourself.[LAUGHTER]
CHRIS COX: Yes, that’s exactly right. Exactly right.
RILEY BASS: That’s the solution.
CHRIS COX: The real solution is just keeping your focus. I think that’s a big part of it– being aware, but also keeping your focus on your ultimate goal. Have you set goals yet? No. Then get after it. We have a podcast just for goal-setting.
RILEY BASS: That’s right. And if none of this works, then just give up.
CHRIS COX: That’s right.
RILEY BASS: Give up hope.
CHRIS COX: Give up hope and take action.
RILEY BASS: Yeah.
CHRIS COX: Actually, that’s the next topic.
RILEY BASS: I know. See what I did there?
CHRIS COX: I think what you did was a “seg-yoo.”
RILEY BASS: Yes.
CHRIS COX: That’s what those are called.
RILEY BASS: A “seg-yoo,” is what that’s called. [LAUGHS] That was a nice segue, Chris, into chapter 11.
CHRIS COX: Right. This is exactly what it is. Give up hope.
RILEY BASS: And take action.
CHRIS COX: Just to clarify, the end of the last thing that we said was give up, but don’t really give up. Keep trying. Keep going after it. But what you should do is give up hope. Why, Riley? Why should we give up hope?
RILEY BASS: Because you’re not going to get anywhere if you’re just hoping for something to happen. You have to take action and make it happen.
CHRIS COX: Hope is a funny thing. It reminds me of the– going to Nerdville here– Matrix Reloaded. Whenever Neo is in the Architect’s room, and he’s about to leave, and then the Architect– they have this long conversation. And then he’s about to leave, and he says, I hope you never see me again, or hope I never have to see you again. And the Architect says, hope– the quintessential human delusion. Source of your greatest strength and greatest weakness, or something like that.
RILEY BASS: Hmm.
CHRIS COX: But I think it’s pretty funny– not funny, but I think it relates to this, because we do talk about hope usually in a positive light, but sometimes hope is negative.
RILEY BASS: If you’re always just hoping that something’s going to happen and hoping that something is going to work out–
CHRIS COX: “Hh-oping.”
RILEY BASS: “Hh-oping.” You’re always going to be hoping and never doing. Just sitting there hoping something is going to happen is not going to make it happen. You have to actually get up and make it happen.
CHRIS COX: Yeah, and that really has a lot to do with what I envision as inertia. If you’re stuck on the couch watching an episode of something– Battlestar Galactica or Real Housewives, whichever one you like to watch.
RILEY BASS: Those are pretty opposite shows.
CHRIS COX: Well, we have a very wide audience here. Chances are you’re probably going to stick around and do one more episode of something, right?
RILEY BASS: They just automatically start in 17 seconds. It’s so easy.
CHRIS COX: Right. It’s about inertia. You stay– it’s that Law of Thermodynamics.
RILEY BASS: Objects on the couch stay on the couch.
CHRIS COX: Exactly. And then objects in motion tend to stay in motion. And then, of course, the third one is, unless all that’s acted upon to change it.
RILEY BASS: Wow. Way to throw back to old-school physics.
CHRIS COX: Oh, I know. Stupid.
RILEY BASS: Nerd.
CHRIS COX: Whatever. But it makes sense. I think it makes sense in this case, as far as action goes, and how we tend to work in life– especially these days, with infinite streaming capabilities. If you think of it that way, it’s really, really hard to get off the couch–
RILEY BASS: Mm-hmm.
CHRIS COX: –unless you’ve just been sitting there, or you need to take care of some biological things like eating lunch or whatever.
RILEY BASS: But here’s the difference between the people that are sitting on the couch watching Netflix and the people that are out there making changes is they have decided– maybe they were sitting on the couch watching Netflix a while ago, and they made that conscious decision, OK, after this next episode, I have to get up. It’s time to get up. It’s time to make a change.
And it’s OK if you’re anxious about making that change, and it’s OK if you have a little bit of anxiety, But how you handle that and how you continue to push forward is going to make the difference between people that are stuck on the couch and the people that are out there making changes.
CHRIS COX: When I was growing up– I don’t know if it was like this with you, but my parents put a time limit on how much we could– how long we could play on video games–
RILEY BASS: Yeah.
CHRIS COX: –Nintendo. And I don’t have those restrictions as an adult, so I could sit and play PlayStation for two or three hours without even worrying about it. But again, if you think about that idea of the inertia, our parents made us change what we were doing and force us to get off our butts to go play outside or whatever it is. Part of being self-reliant is growing up and maturing enough to be able to look at those things and say, this is what I need to do next.
And it’s harder to do the next thing unless you have the plan to do it. So if you wake up on a Saturday and say, today I’m going to Home Depot, and then maybe if we have some time I’ll go by Target, and then we’re going to go to the park or whatever it is– you have your plan for the day. So you know how one thing goes to the next, so you have the plan. But if you’re just like, eh, Saturday, whatever–
RILEY BASS: Right.
CHRIS COX: –pop on Netflix or Hulu, and then–
RILEY BASS: There goes the day.
CHRIS COX: –there goes your Saturday.
RILEY BASS: And then 48 hours later, you have to go back to work.
CHRIS COX: Exactly.
RILEY BASS: Dang it.
CHRIS COX: So you have to have that plan, and you have to know what you want to move forward. Otherwise, you’re just going to sit there and dig your rut in your couch, or even your desk chair. People are going to work to get in that rut. So listen to your intuition. Listen to where you’re trying to go, and that will help guide you, especially when it comes to real-life stuff.
RILEY BASS: And don’t just hear it and listen to it, but then act on it.
CHRIS COX: Dr. Robert Anthony, in his last chapter, talks about the greatest obstacle to happiness and how to overcome it. What do you think the greatest obstacle to happiness is?
RILEY BASS: The future.
CHRIS COX: The future. Is the future or biggest obstacle?
RILEY BASS: Well, I’m a little bit scared of the future. When you watch those movies, they keep getting closer and closer to the future, and we keep getting closer to those years where there are aliens, and hover cars, and–
CHRIS COX: I still want my hover cars. We’re supposed to have hover cars by now.
RILEY BASS: Well, yeah, but I don’t know about the aliens and stuff.
CHRIS COX: Yeah, but aliens aren’t in the future. They actually have been here with us for a while.
RILEY BASS: True.
CHRIS COX: Yeah, he says it’s this idea of the future, and how we’re doing all these things for something in our future– retirement, or having lost the weight in a year, or whatever it is. But we don’t really focus on the now.
RILEY BASS: We’re always looking at how we’re going to be happy tomorrow, and the next day, and in a year, and in five years. And we’re not looking at why are we– or why are we not– happy today, and what we need to do to change that. Whatever you’re being and thinking and living right now is what’s going to determine your happiness, and it’s going to determine how much time you spend worried about the future and what’s going to happen next.
CHRIS COX: We need to plan for the future and have our goals, but we have to live in the moment now. We have to do the things now that make us happy. Now, for some people, that’s like, well, I’m to go buy a new TV, or I’m going to go get this great car. That’ll make me happy. But that’s not really what he’s talking about, is it?
RILEY BASS: No, he’s talking about just living in personal happiness, and making sure that your mind and your spirit are aligned, and that you’re moving in a direction that makes you feel happy to be where you are.
CHRIS COX: And when we’re living in this present moment, the– what he says– the true source of experiencing joy lies in one act– discovering and following what excites us the most in any given moment each day, all day.
RILEY BASS: All day, err day.
CHRIS COX: All day, err day.
RILEY BASS: Right. Life’s a journey, and it’s really important to know where you want to end up, but it’s also important to enjoy every step along the way, and make sure you’re taking in the sights, and make sure you’re having fun on that road trip. We talked about a road trip a couple episodes ago, but it’s ringing true again. That’s what our life is, and we need to make sure that we are celebrating each step along the way.
CHRIS COX: Life is about the journey, not the destination. But I think this really exemplifies that, and the book as it talks about the present. We need to enjoy where we are, what we’re doing now. Find our happiness here, because at some point, we are going to get to our future self. And if our future self looks back and sees that we weren’t happy back then, when we really could have easily been happy if we’d have just looked at things differently, then we may feel like we might have wasted some time back there.
So we need to look at what brings us joy, and what will allow you to live your life joyfully. Helping people reconnect with their world through better hearing is one of those things that we do. And I think that it’s easy for us to be able to find joy in our everyday lives, because what we do is bringing joy to other people.
RILEY BASS: Well, and what’s awesome about what brings us joy is that it is what brings other people joy as well. So we get to see that reaction in them, but then they get to see that with their loved ones and their friends and families. And it’s cool. It multiplies as it goes out.
CHRIS COX: And there’s definitely people out there that have careers or have jobs that they have to really dig deep to find the joy– find the purpose for what they’re doing. And sometimes it’s contorted and weird. But if that works for them, then it works for them. And that’s what makes them happy, and that’s what makes them fulfilled. We’re fortunate enough to be in a profession where–
RILEY BASS: Ours is pretty easy.
CHRIS COX: Where it’s easy to find that joy, or should be easy to find that joy, because of the impact that we have on people around us now. I wanted to take this time to more discuss some of the things that we’re encountering and we’re seeing here in the current landscape professionally within audiology and other hearing care, because there’s a lot of things going on.
RILEY BASS: Unless you’ve been living under a rock, you know that there’s been a lot of changes and a lot of different things happening in our industry that have really been impacting all of us.
CHRIS COX: And lots of different opinions about things.
RILEY BASS: Oh my goodness, yes.
CHRIS COX: I think that this book is important in this time right now. And if you get a chance to read it, great, or hopefully this summary has helped you a little bit in some of this. But this really does come down to how we are looking at the profession, and what is it that we can get out of it that’s good?
There’s a lot of hand-wringing and fretting out there by a lot of different people– old and young– and I hope that you guys listening aren’t getting wrapped up in the negative way. I hope you’re not getting sucked into the earthquake crevices that are popping up all over the place. Find your hot air balloon.
RILEY BASS: Sail away into the sunset.
CHRIS COX: Well, no sail away. You definitely want to be a part of it. You don’t want to just walk away from audiology and say, see you guys later. But continue to be a part of it and be a part of the discussion. Even on the bigger scale, when we’ve talked about– when we look at the political arena in the United States as it has been unfolding for the past year, 18 months, whatever– there’s a lot of negativity going on there as well.
So take a look at yourself. What is it that you’re telling yourself? What is it that you’re believing about yourself? And how are you applying that to all these big things that are happening out there?
RILEY BASS: And just know– control the controllable. There’s a lot of things in our lives that we can’t do anything about, but how we react to them is going to directly impact our happiness and our level of thinking.
CHRIS COX: One of the differences between successful people and unsuccessful people is how successful people handle change–
RILEY BASS: Mm-hmm.
CHRIS COX: –and how they look at it and deal with it and use that change to improve their outlook and creatively work around the problems that can come around because of that. So I implore you to do the same thing with what’s coming across the table here with the over-the-counter hearing devices, and dropping of licensure regulations in certain states, and seemingly the erosion– that some people are saying– the erosion of our value as audiologists. Your value is what you make and what you deem your value is, not what someone else puts a price on.
RILEY BASS: Your value is what you make it, and if that wasn’t the case, then there would not be so many practice owners that are out there being successful right now. And people would all be just buying cheapy little piece apps off the internet. But practices are alive. They’re thriving. They’re growing year over year, despite all of this other negativity that’s going on, because those practice owners are believing that this doesn’t affect them, and they can control what they can control, and they’re using a lot of the techniques we’ve been talking about in this book to keep that positive attitude and keep moving, and it’s showing with their success.
CHRIS COX: If you’re a student or you’re within the first few years out of being an audiologist, this is an exciting time. You’re coming into something different and new than what most people in the profession have seen over the last 15, 20 years. For me, I’m excited because we got a lot of potential to do a lot of really great things with the demographics that are changing, with the technology that’s just advancing every year to being something cooler, and cooler, and cooler.
So I am excited. I’m happy for what’s in front of us, and I look at all these changes as just changes. They’re things that are happening, and we can’t control a lot of what’s going on. But if we take it, and we roll with it, and we make the best of it and thrive with it, then that’s the best thing that we can do to show others that it’s not a big deal. Ain’t no thing.
RILEY BASS: Absolutely.
CHRIS COX: Let’s worry about what we can worry about, and not worry about the other things.
RILEY BASS: Exactly. And you know what that means, Chris?
CHRIS COX: What does that mean? We have officially completed Beyond Positive Thinking on the podcast.
CHRIS COX: Yay! We have gotten our first book done.[MUSIC PLAYING]
RILEY BASS: So we hope you guys enjoyed this four-part podcast that we put together for you. We really wanted to bring you the information from this book, but like I said, we understand that sometimes it’s hard to read books outside of your normal curriculum, especially when you’re still in school or just getting started with your career.
CHRIS COX: It’s hard for me to read books, period.
RILEY BASS: Yeah.
CHRIS COX: I can’t even read.
RILEY BASS: Yeah, I actually had to read the book to Chris for him–
CHRIS COX: It was nice. It’s what we did during lunch breaks.
RILEY BASS: So thank you guys so much for listening. If you are interested in obtaining a copy of this book, let us know. We can probably get one sent out to you. As always, give us some feedback. We are excited to hear from you guys. Take care.
CHRIS COX: Thank you so much. Bye-bye.